{"id":154,"date":"2007-07-21T12:12:51","date_gmt":"2007-07-21T16:12:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.indefenseofthefaith.org\/?p=154"},"modified":"2007-07-21T12:54:41","modified_gmt":"2007-07-21T16:54:41","slug":"gods-permissive-will-i-dont-think-so","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/?p=154","title":{"rendered":"Is it God&#8217;s &#8220;permissive&#8221; will? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>David Field has provided <a href=\"http:\/\/davidpfield.blogspot.com\/2007\/05\/gods-permissive-will.html\" title=\"God's Permissive Will\" target=\"_blank\">an excellent post<\/a> on the issue of God&#8217;s &#8220;permissive&#8221; will. Ever since my views began to change on the issues of God&#8217;s sovereignty and how it works out in His creation, I have not been happy with the idea that some Reformed Evangelicals (including plenty of my dearest friends) have put forward as &#8220;God&#8217;s permissive will.&#8221; It just doesn&#8217;t sound right or Biblical.<\/p>\n<p>In my continued search for a better way to explain God&#8217;s sovereign will to myself and others, David Field has done an amazing job in <a href=\"http:\/\/davidpfield.blogspot.com\/2007\/05\/gods-permissive-will.html\" title=\"God's Permissive Will\" target=\"_blank\">this post<\/a> which I re-post here below. Enjoy and let&#8217;s discuss!<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><!-- Begin .post --><\/p>\n<p class=\"post\"><a title=\"7089502350104508277\" name=\"7089502350104508277\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"post-title\">God&#8217;s &#8220;permissive will&#8221;<\/h3>\n<p class=\"post-body\">It may sound iconoclastic and it&#8217;s highly likely that it comes from  ignorance but I have just about given up on the idea of God&#8217;s &#8220;permissive  will&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The <span style=\"font-style: italic\">intended function <\/span>of  the distinction\/term is to assert a moral asymmetry between God&#8217;s relationship  to what is evil and his relationship to the good.<\/p>\n<p>But the <span style=\"font-style: italic\">effect <\/span>of the distinction\/term to my mind is  to imply that God draws circles and says, &#8220;I won&#8217;t step in there&#8221;. It implies a  self-limitation on the part of God.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t believe that there is such a  self-limitation, nor, indeed, that it is possible. I believe that God&#8217;s  sovereignty is inalienable. I believe that God is personally, purposefully,  actively present at and to every point, time, space, event, object, and person  in creation.<\/p>\n<p>I therefore believe that rather than saying<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>God actively and directly wills and causes good but only permissively and  indirectly wills evil.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>we should say<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>God actively and directly wills and causes absolutely everything and he  loves the goodness of all the good things he wills and causes and he loathes and  is wrathful towards the evil of all the evil things he wills and causes (the  evil or sinfulness of which is the responsibility of wicked moral  agents).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Or more briefly,<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>God causes the things which are good and loves the good. God causes the  things which are evil (but not the evil-ness of them) and loathes the evil.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Of course, this is at the level of discussing vocabulary for a  dogmatics lecture in relation to God&#8217;s inalienable sovereignty and permissive  will and self-limitation and things. I also affirm that it is right and proper  and important, on occasion, to talk about God &#8220;allowing&#8221; Satan to afflict Job,  for example, or &#8220;allowing&#8221; this or that natural or moral evil to  occur.<\/p>\n<p>Happily, Neil Jeffers is going to sort this out once and for all  very soon now.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>David Field has provided an excellent post on the issue of God&#8217;s &#8220;permissive&#8221; will. Ever since my views began to change on the issues of God&#8217;s sovereignty and how it works out in His creation, I have not been happy with the idea that some Reformed Evangelicals (including plenty of my dearest friends) have put &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/?p=154\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Is it God&#8217;s &#8220;permissive&#8221; will? I don&#8217;t think so&#8230;<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[22,20,3,36,37,5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-154","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-apologetics","category-debate","category-pop-christianity","category-reforming","category-systematic-theology","category-theology"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/154","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=154"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/154\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=154"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=154"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/indefenseofthefaith.org\/idotf\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=154"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}